Sweden's Kungsleden Trail (aka The King's Trail)
I'm excited today to share with you a new find: The northern section of Sweden's Kungsleden trail. Our guest today is Rosemary Burris, an avid adventure hiker, who has traversed some of the world's most impressive hikes and tells us that the serenity, quiet, beauty and remarkable light puts this trail up at the top of her list!
Sweden, a quiet country with loads of contributions to the world…
Sweden had been off of my radar, but now that Rosemary has brought it to the forefront, I recall that without Sweden, we wouldn't have IKEA or H&M, Ingrid OR Ingmar Bergman, Pippi Longstocking, Candy Crush or Skype – and let's not forget ABBA! Or Absolute vodka and the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo!
Sweden is home to sleek contemporary Scandinavian design, saunas, and the Zika tradition of catching up over coffee and cake, where Swedes make it an art form.
At only around 10 million people, and where most live in urban areas, the vast wilderness is a wonderland for folks seeking beauty and peace. Sweden prides itself on its commitment to preserving nature and conservation, and put their money where their mouth is. These people, were on the forefront of bringing art to the masses: their metro station corridors have been lined with impressive artwork for fifty years, long before it was common.
The Kungsleden Trail
North of the Arctic Circle, Sweden has a magnificent trail, the Kungsleden Trail, that is 440 kilometres (270 mi) long, but most hike the northern section to Abisko, often taking a detour to see the magnificent Skierfe in Sarek National Park, or Nikkaloukta.
There are huts placed along the trail so you can get a warm place to sleep at night and there is a kitchen so you can cook a hot meal. This means that you don't have to carry a sleeping bag or your kitchen. Rosemary was smart and brought seasonings to jazz up her meals.
You can resupply food about every other hut so you don't have to carry so much weight. The water is so pristine, there is no need to carry a water filter.
You would think being in the Arctic Circle that it would be brutally cold, but the Jet Stream has a tempering effect on the weather, so it's not so cold in the summer! You do need to bring all your thermal and rain hiking gear, because like all mountain weather, particularly this far north, you need to be prepared for inclement weather at all times, and expect it to be cloudy and often rainy.
In this land of the midnight sun, where briefly near the summer solstice, the sun never sets (nor does it rise during the winter solstice)!
Rosemary takes us along the Kungsleden trail and we learn:
- It's best to join the Swedish Tourist Association to get the best rates on the huts and how the system works
- Most people do just the northern section to/from Abisko. The trail is not crowded, especially late summer after school starts up again, but to have even more peace, hike northbound plus you'll meet new people each day. For a more social hike, hike the traditional southbound direction, where you'll see the same people off and on throughout your hike, which allows you to get to know folks better.
- You can see the Midnight Sun in the summer but will also encounter mosquitos. As fall gets near, you may see the famous Northern Lights.
- That you don't need to carry your sleeping bag or cooking items if you are using the hut system
- Some of the huts have SAUNAS – yay!
- Outside of reindeer herds, there is little wildlife which makes the trail unusually QUIET!
- The indigenous people, the Sami, are reindeer herders, and manage some of the huts and are the folks who take you across the lakes (for a fee). They speak English. Sometimes you can buy fish or dried reindeer from them.
- The LIGHT, perhaps due to the sun's angle that far north, is ‘other worldly'.
- This hike is easily planned on your own with a guidebook and map, but there is a company that can make all the arrangements for you (details and links on the FREE Travel Planning Cheat Sheet – click the button below, or subscribe to the newsletter to get it automatically each month).
- Rosemary Burris is an extraordinary quilt collage artist – see a couple of examples above (you can click on them to be directed to her website.
- Read the COMPLETE TRANSCRIPT of this podcast episode below.
Here's the complete transcript for this episode:
005 The Kungleden Trail, Sweden's Most Popular Long Distance Hike: Interview with Rosemary Burris
Kit: 00:07 We're going to a place that's been way off my radar. But then the more I'm thinking about it, I was like well shoot! Where would we be if we didn't have Skype. Candy Crush, Ikea or H&M! Pippi Longstocking! The girl the Dragon Tattoo! Ingmar or Ingrid Bergman. And the tradition of Fika, which is catching up with friends over coffee and cake. And can you imagine a world without ABBA or Absolute vodka? And while we thank them for all their great contributions to the world, we can also thank them for taking such great care of their natural resources.
Kit: 00:37 Today our interview is with a woman who has hiked all over the world and ranks this adventure as one of the top that she has ever done, probably in place one or two, she says. So stay tuned and let's find out why this hike needs to get on your radar.
Kit: 00:58 This is Kit Parks and I'm the host back of Active Travel Adventures. You probably figured out we're going to Sweden and we're going with a woman who has traveled all over the world. Indeed she has hiked all over the world. And some of the world's most popular and famous trails and she ranks today's adventure as in her top one or two of all time. So I'm really excited to talk to her to learn more about this. I had not even heard about this trail!
Kit: 01:19 When she's not out hiking the trail, our guest today is actually an artist. She makes these extraordinary quilts: a collage quilt by using a photograph of your beloved pet. She can transform that into this beautiful work of art using all these hundreds if not thousands of fabrics and quilting them all together to make this collage. They are extraordinary. I've actually put a couple of pictures of her work on the Web site today so you can take a look at it. Our guest today is Rosemary Burris artist and owner of Quilt Collage at RosemaryBurris.com.
Kit: 01:50 And today Rosemary is going to take us to Sweden to hike the northern section the most popular section of the Kungsladen trail, the Kings Trail.
Kit: 02:03 If you want to do the entire trail it takes most people about four weeks. The cool thing about this trail is that the Swedish Tourist Association has a hut system that's arranged where there's a hut approximately one day's hike away. So you just go from hut to hut to hut. This means you don't need to carry any of your equipment and only about two days worth of food because every other hut has food you can resupply. That saves you a ton of weight and makes it a much more pleasant hike.
Kit: 02:27 The entire Kungsladen Trail runs about 270 miles or roughly 440 kilometers and is broken into four main sections. We'll be doing the northernmost section, which is basically from Kebnekaise to Abisko. That's about the best I can do on pronunciations because it only gets worse from here. You already know I'm pronunciation challenged. I can't even say Cairns, Australia. So I apologize in advance for butchering all the Swedish names. You'll find all the proper spelling in today's show notes and on the Web site. Thanks. So let's head up to the Arctic Circle with Rosemary Burris. Here's Rosemary.
Rosemary: 03:02 My friend Andrea and I have done four European hikes together. We did the Dolomites in 2011 the Pyrenees in 2013 and then last year we did the Haute route.
Kit: 03:22 The Haute Route H- A- U-T- E trail shares trails with the Montblanc trail which is the famous trail that runs through Switzerland, France and Italy, that we will actually be covering an upcoming episode. So tell me Rosemary what do you think of most when you think of the Kungsladen Trail?
Rosemary: 03:34 I think it's three things that stand out the most for me are the light. The light is stunning. The openness. And the quiet.
Kit: 03:46 Sweden has a population of only about 10 million people and most of those folks are concentrated in the urban areas so once you get out to the countryside in the wilderness, it's just complete nature. So what's so appealing about this trail Rosemary?
Rosemary: 04:02 I do. I love the quiet. I love getting away from everything. I especially love the huts where you know you've been hiking a lot by yourself all day and then you come into a hut and there's people from all over the world to chat with.
Rosemary: 04:18 I just think the silence, the the open landscape, and the the light: all of that just made it so incredibly special. The other huts that I know, hikes that I've in Europe… you're in larger huts is lot more people were shuffling all around them in the huts. This was just so relaxing: so incredibly relaxing and beautiful.
Kit: 04:43 How did the crowds compare on this trail as opposed to other trials in Europe.
Rosemary: 04:47 Not nearly as crowded as it is. If you want to get away and totally relax it's really wonderful.
Kit: 04:54 Another reason that Roseberry found it less crowded was because she and her friend chose to hike northbound.
Rosemary: 05:00 But most people go from Abisko down six days and get off the trail. I don't know what in the name where they get off.
Kit: 05:09 The starting point that Rosemary's referring to is called Kebnekaise. Let the name butchering begin.
Rosemary: 05:16 The first day was probably the least satisfying of the trail. I can't say that word correctly but that was probably the most challenging. It was really muddy along the lake. There's lots of routes there's lots of rocks it's going really slow. It's your first day out and it was drizzling for us, and I thought why did I come all this distance for this hike if it's all like this? But then it only got better and better and better. So if you can get past that first day it's it's wonderful.
Kit: 05:49 Their starting point is a town I'm going to call Kvikkjokk: K-V-I-K-K-J-O-K-K. Kvikjokk. They also took a side trip up to Swedens most impressive landscape.
Rosemary: 06:03 Andrea I could never say the word Kvikjokk, and went north, and Skierfe was about three days up to the hut. And then we did the fourth day up to Skierfe and back down to that same hut. They call it the Grand Canyon of Sweden, this one woman said, where are you climb about 3000 feet and you're on this sheer drop down to this incredible delta of water.
Rosemary: 06:31 And then to the west is snow-capped mountains. It's very very beautiful.
Kit: 06:37 A cool thing about this trail is you could pick how much solitude you want. If you'd like the quiet and the more serene hike didn't do as Rosemary did and hike northbound as most people are hiking southbound. But if you prefer hiking during the day with other travelers then you want to hike southbound. You can buy a map at the mountain stations.
Rosemary: 06:58 It was kind of, as we were hiking north in the mornings for a couple hours, with most people who are camping, camp right at a hut, and the huts are spaced out far enough so that in the morning as we were going north, we hardly see anybody, and then a few hours in 3 hours in all of a sudden it be like this nomadic tribe of people coming from the north passing you. But we even meet them mostly midday which was really delightful. I really liked that. I'm really glad we did it that way. And I would do it again. There's so many adventurous travelers out there we met a man from San Francisco who was out. He was going to be out for five six weeks. He was continuing on.
Rosemary: 07:46 I mean you just can continue in any direction you want because there is huts everywhere. He was going to continue on over to the west and then make his way on trails all the way to the coast of Norway. Two young women that we met from I think they were from Sweden, they were out for months. They started up near Finland and there's a trail that connects down into the Kungsleden and starts up in the border of Finland and goes through the northern part of Norway and then wraps around and down comes down into Abisko and continues down and they bring their tents and, there's enough food you can buy here and there that they can do it. It's amazing. So many strong young women out there.
Kit: 08:34 Can you describe the ages of the people that you're seeing on the trail.
Rosemary: 08:42 All ages, all ages, older people. We spent two or three nights toward the end of the trip with a woman who was retired. I think she was 64, from southern Sweden and she was on the same route that we were so we'd meet up at the hut every night. And young people in their 20s, and as I said there was even a you know young people with their families sometimes. Not so much on the Kungsleden because I think school had already started, but there was a school field trip there. So it's just all ages. It's people from all over the world. Mostly on the Kungsleden, it's Europeans and a few Australians and just a handful of Americans.
Kit: 09:27 I find that I've bond really quickly with people that I meet when I'm adventure traveling. What are your thoughts on that?
Rosemary: 09:31 That's, I think that's really true. It's really nice! In Saltoluokta, we met two women who had been coming back, well had been doing a hike every year for 20 years. They met in oh I don't know some original job and they still meet up each year to go on a on a week adventure. And we had dinner with them and just loved hearing all their stories about where they they've been hiking. It's just wonderful.
Kit: 09:59 Why did you choose to go against the course that most people do and go northbound?
Rosemary: 10:04 Most people walk it from north to south. We walked south to north because there is only one book written in English about the trail, and that was written from south to north. So we wanted to stay with that. I liked doing that because almost every single night I had a hut you'd be meeting new people. It was really nice instead of the same group following you each day.
Kit: 10:27 Rosemary discovered another added benefit of hiking northbound.
Rosemary: 10:31 I don't know if the prevailing winds are from the north or the south, but the sun wasn't in our eyes when we were walking that direction. And it seemed like fall had arrived by the time we got to the north. We were out 12 days, 13 days, and by the time we got to the north, it felt like everything had changed. So I don't know if the North was just that much further ahead. It's closer to the sea, but it felt like a changing of season while we were going,
Kit: 11:00 Why did you choose to go the month that you did?
Rosemary: 11:02 I think the biggest plan was to avoid the mosquito season. And the huts in the high summer are very crowded too up there.
Kit: 11:15 So if you go in July you'll see the wildflowers but you also see more people. If you go in late August like Rosemary did, you will also avoid the mosquitoes.
Rosemary: 11:24 We started hiking on August 23rd. 13 days later, I want to say September 12th, 10th, somewhere in there that range.
Kit: 11:35 If you choose to you can backpack and bring your own tent. But another option is to stay in one of the mountain huts. And every once in a while there's also a mountain station where you actually have electricity and be able to get your Wifi and check your mail. So first, Roseberry please tell us about the mountain stations.
Rosemary: 11:49 Yes. The mountain stations are like an oasis to get to. You get to check your mail, you get to take a good shower, have a really nice meal and they're very very comfortable. Yes. The mountain stations were fun to get to. But that's not to say that the other huts aren't comfortable: they're very comfortable. They're not like our lean to's on the Appalachian Trail. They're very comfortable. There's a wood stove, a full kitchen with propane you can cook food and at least three of them that we were in had saunas. A wood fired sauna. It was, yes, really really nice. And the rooms aren't so crowded too I think the most crowded room we had was eight people in a bunk room then But rare, that was rare. Mostly we were in rooms of six.
Kit: 12:44 I'm assuming these are mixed dorms. But you just grab a bank or are you assigned a bunk?
Rosemary: 12:49 Yes. The warden assigns you. There is only like when you come into a huts area, there may be one hut, or there may be two, and they'll assign you a bunk and a room and every other hut,,, at least on the Kungsleden has a store, so you don't have to carry all your food and you can buy really healthy provisions. They try to go with things that are very nutritious not junk food so you can get a beer and you can get chocolate.
Kit: 13:22 So, do you have to bring plates and utensils. Or is everything there?
Rosemary: 13:25 Everything's there. Yup Everything's there.
Kit: 13:28 So you can actually cook?
Rosemary: 13:31 Yeah it's really easy to do. There's pasta, there's pasta sauce Indian dahl, and I brought dahl spices so least three nights we had dahl. It was delicious! Spices weren't provided but the dahl was provided. And you can buy oatmeal too, and you can buy sugar to go in it. It's provisioned very well. You could always get by with what they have. You get a little sick of pasta towards the end, but it's great! Everything's great!
Rosemary: 14:00 Since you're out in the middle of nowhere, I assume the wardens are not just waiting on you. What are the different responsibilities of the hiker's?
Rosemary: 14:08 You are responsible for chopping wood sometimes or carrying wood into the cabin and you're responsible for bringing water in. And dumping out the kitchen water. So everything's done in a bucket and water there does not have to be treated anywhere. You just dip your cup in any stream any like you want it is so incredibly clean crystal clean and cold beautiful.
Kit: 14:35 I know you can make reservations but if you're winging it, what happens and will they make room?
Rosemary: 14:41 They always make room. And Sweden actually has a really nice system: the Swedish Tourist Association. You join it before you go, and you make reservations, but you're not stuck to those days. So you can, you get a discount if you make the reservations ahead of time. And it's a significant discount. So we would buy five nights in this one area, and there's dozens of hikes in this one area. And you can stay at any of them and you're not bound by any days, and you've got a two week window to use those. And then we, yeah, and then the second section: the same thing eight nights in the second section, and you have two weeks to use it. It's a really nice system, and they never turn anybody away. If there's too many people though, they have stored mattresses they'll put out on the floor in the kitchen or some other place.
Kit: 15:40 Do you need to bring a sleeping bag?
Rosemary: 15:42 No, you don't even need a sleeping bag or a pillow. The huts have a mattress and a pillow and blanket. So all you do is bring a sleeping sheet, like a sack. Packs can be pretty light. I carried about 20 pounds.
Kit: 15:58 Tell us a little bit about the hut layout themselves, and the social life.
Rosemary: 16:01 Yes. Yes. Because you're in a pretty small hut. There may be two or maybe four rooms off of the kitchen, and maybe four to eight bunks in each room. So you're sharing the space. A small kitchen space sometimes a little bit larger, with other people, and maybe two tables so people interact quite a bit. It's very relaxing very nice.
Kit: 16:27 So you're tired and you're sore from hiking all day. Did I hear you say it's somewhat the huts actually have a sauna
Rosemary: 16:33 All of this saunas are incredible! They are absolutely amazing out there on the trail! There's three rooms: one you get undressed in, the second room is like a washing room, and then the third room is the sauna. You bring in a bucket. There's a big,, it's a wood stove with a bucket above it that contains water that gets heated up by the wood, and then you can tap off that water to wash in in the second room and a lot of people will sauna, and go jump in the water body that's nearby, a lake or a river, and then go back into the sauna. And it's the most wonderful experience. It's so incredibly wonderful. It's three different times the first time is for women. It's either five to six thirty or six to 7:30. And then the men get it the next time. And then the late evening is a coed time. It's really refreshing.
Kit: 17:36 I don't suppose they rent towels for you do they?
Rosemary: 17:39 You have to bring your own towel. I just brought like a little washcloth to dry off with.
Kit: 17:44 In that part of Sweden. the indigenous people are the Sami: S-A-M-I, and they heard the reindeer up there. I asked Rosemary about them.
Rosemary: 17:52 Oh some of the wardens gave us a little bit more information. That was really helpful. They were talking about how they heard the reindeer which I found fascinating, how the communities hire reindeer herders, and they showed us a picture of one of the six wheeled vehicles that they used to get out to herd them, and how they radio collar the leader of the pack of the reindeer. And so that they can GPS where the herds are. Reindeer's, they're rounded up every, I don't know if it's in the spring or early before winter hits. And the younger ones are tagged. Every reindeer has a tag of the community and the individual owner in the community of that reindeer.
Kit: 18:39 Did you see the reindeer?
Rosemary: 18:42 Toward the north, we saw some very very large pens that the reindeers are herded into. This is fascinating. Beautiful and it's just always so breathtaking to see you're seeing reindeer come by. Initially we were hardly seeing, we were just seeing one or two here and there and then then we started seeing larger groups of maybe 10- 12.
Kit: 19:07 The Sami people not only herd and manage the reindeer stock up in Sweden, but also they help with the river and lake crossings.
Rosemary: 19:16 There's several l,ake crossings that you have to get a boat. And one of them was with a Saami woman who took us across who was just delightful. What a wonderful person.
Kit: 19:26 And do you pay for these crossings?
Rosemary: 19:29 Yeah, you have to pay to cross. You have to pay somebody to cross every time. Oh, some of them you have to wait for a specific time to cross, too.
Kit: 19:38 Some of the huts are actually run by the Sami people.
Rosemary: 19:42 The ones without the stores are operated by the local Sami people, the Lapland folks, and sometimes you can buy fish from them and bread from them, and dried reindeer meat.
Kit: 19:54 Did you have any difficulty communicating with the Sami?
Rosemary: 19:57 Oh they speak English: they speak English and Swedish. You wouldn't be able to tell that they weren't a native Swede. They looked the same as Swedes to me. It's not like our indigenous people were there some more distinct facial features.
Kit: 20:13 While Roseberry saw lots of reindeer, I was surprised at her answer when I asked her about the other wildlife.
Rosemary: 20:19 Hardly even any birds of just a few raptors here and there and just a few ducks on water here and there. I think that's one of the things: I mean I love watching wildlife, but it was so quiet out there– so quiet. I've never been in such a vast open landscape that's just quiet. The water sometimes you hear, but it is quiet other than that. It's beautiful!
Kit: 20:49 Can you tell us a little bit more about the landscape?
Rosemary: 20:52 The amount of forested land is a lot less than the open areas, called the moors. There's much more moors than there is forested land, and the forest land is stubby short. Birch trees: very pretty at this time of year because the leaves were all turning yellow, but mostly the higher country you're up on very wide open plains with beautiful mountains around you. Colors were every single color of the rainbow: the reds, greens, yellows …really really pretty colors. And and then water bodies, which are just crystal clear water, and sometimes really beautiful colors, sometimes to the this dark, blue green color.
Kit: 21:41 In that vast openness with so little light pollution, you must have been able to see tons of stars.
Rosemary: 21:48 You know, remarkably, there were not. I don't know what it was about if, it was clouds up there. I don't know why there wasn't many stars. Sometimes I would go out at night to pee and there was not that many stars out. There were a few but I couldn't see that many. But that's the other thing I really really loved about the trail was the light there. The clouds part in so many different ways and the light filters through and lights up surrounding hillsides. Rainbows was almost about half of the days that we were there. The light is just spectacular. It's it's like no other light I've ever seen before, it's really beautiful. Sometimes in the morning be a little bit foggy, and then as you would cross a higher plateau then the fog would lift and these mountains would emerge on the sides just lit up, really pretty.
Kit: 22:41 The cloud cover can also help keep the temperatures a lot more comfortable than you might expect in the Arctic Circle. And when I say the Arctic Circle we're talking about that latitude line that you see on globes. So it's the horizontal line, and the Arctic Circle is that furthest north horizontal line. The cloud cover is one reason it's more temperate than you would expect but also the jet stream affects the weather in that part of Sweden. I did ask Rosemary about clothing .
Kit: 23:07 Are we need to bring all of our thermals?
Rosemary: 23:12 Yes, you do. Sometimes we're wearing three or four layers initially in the morning and that the weather is often not good. We had a really good streak– a really really good streak. I was really feeling very fortunate. Other people coming down from the north when we first started, said that they saw the sun twice out of a full week. So I think that the weather is probably about 50/50: good days/bad days. We had one day a really strong winds but it was at our backs so it was really nice. It was not a problem at all. I was just going to say there's no clothing to buy along the way other than than at the field stations Saltoluokta and Abisko.
Kit: 24:00 In late summer. you have a greater chance of seeing the Northern Lights, of course provided there's no cloud cover. I did ask Rosemary where she fortunate enough to see any.
Rosemary: 24:07 The one thing I don't like about the huts is you have to get up, if you have to get up to pee in the night, you have to go outside and I saw it twice in the middle of the night when I had to go outside but it was more toward the early side of the evening and not the late side of the evening, and it was just more like it wasn't those bright bright colors you see in the photographs. It was more of light dancing around.
Kit: 24:30 When I went to Iceland to go see the Northern Lights, the ones that I saw were these dancing white and green halo-looking lights in the sky and I was told by somebody that it's the cameras that pick up the funny colors like the reds and the blues and yellows and oranges and all that. But to our naked eye, it is that dancing greenish hauntingly white greenish light.
Kit: 24:57 There's a lot about outdoor adventure that most people don't understand about why we would want to do this. When you're out just pushing yourself so hard during the day you get into where you're going to sleep or can't for the night your feet hurt your body aches. Now here we've got the sauna, which is lovely, but most times you don't have that opportunity. Oftentimes the weather is lousy cold and rainy. Yet we still love to do it, we go back and we do it again and again. So despite the hardships we come back each year and we ask for more.
Kit: 25:30 So what's on your bucket list?
Rosemary: 25:31 Oh that's that's a hard one because there's so many to choose from. So I do want to get back to Sweden, but it probably would be two years from now. It's the time of season I'd go again same time next year I won't be able to do that. I would love to go back and do the northern part that I was just telling you that's up in Norway in the border of Finland and I would love to do the one that leaves from the area that we were just started in and head over west. It's called the Padjelanta – I'm going to butcher that one. Something like that. So that's high on my list.
Rosemary: 26:09 I've been thinking about going back to Nepal because that's where Steve and I lived for two years, and I'd love to go back to see my village. After Sweden, I was thinking, “Do I really want to go back to Nepal?” because it's harder. You often get sick. So many more people, pulls at your heartstrings.
Rosemary: 26:32 But Sweden is so restorative. Oh, you're away from people, in communications, and it's you know, it's just it's just wonderful trail just wonderful to be on. So I don't know what's next. And I know Nepal's probably in there sometime and Swedens definitely back on there again. I think as I get older there's a trail in in Northern, actually in the Netherlands, that I want to do it's flat. So if I don't can't climb hills, I'll do a flat one. I think it's called Peter's Path, however they say that in Dutch. I have friends doing the Pacific Crest Trail next summer and I would love to join them. One of those two people, it's a father and son, and the father is going to be 80 this year and he's still hiking 25 miles a day. He's done all the national scenic trails in the United States. Last year he finished them all up at 79. And he's an amazing hiker and he wants to do the PCT again.
Kit: 27:45 He sounds like somebody we need to get on the show. So what do you like doing this so much?
Rosemary: 27:51 I just I love that feeling of being some place else.
Kit: 27:58 I want to thank Rosemary for teaching us about the Kungsleden Trail and also invite you to visit her website: RosemaryBurris.com and check out her beautiful quilts.
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